Words: Chris Roberts, Photographer: Phil Ward
Taken from Melody Maker, 19 March 1994
At
last! Sleazeglamour gods Pulp are about to fulfil years
of critical promises. To celebrate, they have made a
single and video about Losing Your Viginity.
For some, it was dark and grubby. For others, Blakean and
euphoric. The loss of virginity is an event (or not) which
most recall as imperfect but momentous, or at least crap but
interesting.
Bob Mortimer cites an overwhelming sense of "I am about to
do it, I am doing it, I have done it." Jo Brand remembers
her head banging against the base of the toilet. "She was
very into the Bay City Rollers," sighs Terry Hall (though
not of Jo Brand), "which put me off a bit. But not enough."
Jarvis Cocker didn't tell anyone about it for five years,
fearing the secret might lose its magic.
We know all this because Pulp, right now Britain's most
stimulating pop group, have made a half-hour film
interviewing various surprisingly candid quasi-names
(Justine Frischman, John Peel, Pam Hogg, Alison Steadman,
etc) about their sexual awakening. The film premiered at the
ICA last week and is a funny and touching - as the phrase
goes - catalyst for discussion and irreverent nostalgia.
It also ties in (sort of) with Pulp's new single, "Do You
Remember The First Time?", which revisits the bravado of
"Lipgloss" and "Razzmatazz" and is in every way
irresistible. After years of bruised suburban sonatas, Pulp
- suddenly hailed across the media as sex gods and glam
messiahs - are ready to be defiled by popular acclaim.
Talk about sex? Pulp have already done that more times than
the average women's glossy. Yet when you ask Pulp if they
sometimes think everything's been done before,
guitarist/violinist Russell says, "The ancient Greeks were
saying that as well, weren't they?" and mainman Jarvis says,
"That would be a very defeatist attitude. Even if every
experience in life has been had by someone before, it's not
been had by you. Unless you believe in reincarnation, which
I'm not that bothered about myself."
"We tried to make an accessible film," begins bassist
Steve. "The tone of it's light, watchable, funny. We've
discouraged the tabloids - there are enough quotes to bury
everyone on it, taken out of context, so we've been quite
careful there."
"As it stands," adds Jarvis, "anyone could watch it, even
people who might find our music distasteful. I'm not
obsessed with sex, don't get me wrong. It's just that so
often it gets written about in an idealised way or a 'Carry
On' nudge-nudge way. Then again, I don't think it would be
so great if it was more open, like I imagine Norway to be,
where they discuss it over the breakfast table."
"There is a lot to be said for English restraint," muses
Russell. "The fact that something is forbidden
makes it more exciting.
"Ah, but that's when you get your suspenders on and your
orange in your mouth," interrupts Jarvis. There is some
confusion.
"No, not you personally Russell; I mean that
bloke. They only do that cos you have to lock
yourself away in private. If it wasn't 'bad' they wouldn't
be drawn to that twisted sexuality."
"There's a frisson to the whole thing," continues
Russell. "So when you do break it down it seems to mean
something and it's not just something you do as a matter of
course. I was on a train once with this German girl and she
just got changed in front of me, and, well, it didn't
turn me on... I felt really insulted by it, to tell you the
truth. I thought: I'm a man..."
"Maybe she was trying to tell you something," suggests
Jarvis.
"No, well, she wasn't, that was the thing. It
was..." Russell tails off.
Was this in England or in Germany?
"It was in the former Yugoslavia."
What comes across repeatedly in the filmed interviews is
the sense of relief everyone felt from adolescent peer
pressure to have "done it".
"We found quite a difference between men and women,"
observes Jarvis, "in that men would be more inclined to brag
off about it, the thing that 'I've pulled'. Whereas a girl
wouldn't run around school going 'I've had a shag'. I'm not
saying that's right. I think it probably isn't, but..."
I'm certain it isn't. Women talk in much earthier
terms.
"I don't know," considers keyboardist Candida. "I think
women want the romantic thing more than men do.
But that doesn't mean they get it. I mean, yes, women
talking about men can be really... joky."
"Men talk about women on a superficial level," says Steve.
"They don't say: but does she love you?"
"There's all this laddishness, which is nonsense," says
Russell. "And lads know it's nonsense but it's
fun, like talking about cars and football."
Candida tells a story.
"My cousin was showing me round her house last night, and
there's a boy living there, and on his wall he had five
pictures of cars. I've never seen that before. No pictures
of women or anything. Just cars."
"I always know when my girlfriend and her friend are
talking about men in the kitchen," says Russell. "You hear
the noise of geese cackling."
"A lot of men do think differently to before," reflects
Candida. "That comedienne Jo Brand, she's all right, but she
can be just too nasty to men sometimes, I think.
It's just as bad as some awful big fat boozy men going on
about women. Which you don't get any more on telly. But you
do get a lot of women on telly being horrible about men."
"It just sets up a 'versus' situation again, doesn't it?"
says Jarvis. "You're either on one side or the other. Still.
It wouldn't do for us all to be the same, would it?"
"Good God no!" we all chime.
Pulp recently finished recording what they regard as their
"first album proper" with producer to the stars Ed Buller.
"For the entirety of the Eighties we had to have a
whip-round to spend 15 hours in the back of a cold transit
van to play to 12 people", chuckles Russell. "Don't let
anyone romanticise it, it's a load of rubbish, best off out
of it."
"You'd get up in the morning," remembers drummer Nick,
"feeling like you'd been shat out of a horse. Or something."
Jarvis surprises me by claiming The Velvet Underground are
a bigger influence on him than Barry White, and he never
records while naked.
"It's usually me, but not me as I would go down
to the shops. But still me."
Pulp are enjoying their long overdue lift-off.
"It's a bit sad if you get too blasé about things; cynicism
cuts down your opportunities. It's the same with sex, of
course. I mean you have to have a certain degree of
excitement just to... get it on."
Bang a gong. Let's.